Its a complete and utter misery....

Me and my brother both do 10hr shifts now, but at different places. He works as a painter/bodyman for the Chevrolet/Honda dealership on the west side of town, and I as Head of Warehouse a few miles down the road; and coincidentally our lunch hours are the same....  We went to the Jack in the box and I'd barely sat down when I saw he was carrying a notebook. It said "New Model Training Manual 2009" and it had a wire drawing with no colors and since it was upside down I couldn't really tell until he went. "Its the new Camaro... They're training us on it" taking a big bite out of his burger. I start picking away at the fries and say. "Huh...What is it?" He looks at the notebook and says "Garbashhhh!" in a fake french accent. Pushing the notebook a bit to the side; he continues, "Its just a Corvette with a new body on top of the chassis." I stare at the picture and ask. "The Z06?.." He shakes his head and hard swallows his food. He picks up the notebook and flips through the pages doubles back a few and shows me a picture of the chassis on the same wire drawing/3-d form. "Its both...The coupe and Z06." I take a closer look and check out some bullets on the picture, but get caught off when my brother starts talking. He points at the picture and says. "Its pretty much the same, except without the carbon fiber and magnesium parts...." I look hard at the picture and ask when done. "So what is it?" He leans back on the chair and shakes his head tossing away his wrapper on the tray. "Its just a heavy ass Corvette for stupid people who want a Camaro." I finish my meal and ask, "kinda like the GTO?" He gulps down his soda and says, "Yeah, but that P.O.S. Pontiac was really a Vaxhaul, member?" I chuckle and say "Yeah...."


 In honest to god seriousness, Why is there this hype and commotion on the new Camaro if it all it is; is just a lamedown vette? I don't even know the starting price for it, but I bet is ludicrous.  

i guess the hype is about the history on the camaro, and people were kinda bummed out that chevy stopped making it.
really the only thing that has brought it back was ford's new "old styling" mustang and how much of a hit it has become. i guess chevy thinks they can make some money bringing it back, but wasn't the reason that they stopped selling them was because it was only $5,000 less then a vette and no-one bought it?

it gonna turn out like that hr/ el camino (what ever it was called) thing they brought out a couple of years ago, $50,000 with a v6.  

once again, chevy decides to bring out the camaro a few years after the mustang. It's like it's the 60's all over again, (cept the war's in Iraq, not Vietnam).
It's a nice car and all, but if I had the money to buy one, I'd rather wait for that compact RWD Toyota to come out, and go crazy on the TRD options.  

We used to own an 82 Camaro (with hood scoop! LOL) and found it to be more of a cruiser than anything. Not talking bad about it... Its just that it was one of those cars you cruise around in with the windows down, arm out, and just hear the exhaust note of the V8 with the radio as background music while on low volume. I guess that's the appeal of it for some... But I wouldn't buy a new one if its just is a pretend Vette and not a different platform all-together. I guess they're really out of money now....  

it keeps double posting!  

i agree, my dad owns a 25th anniversary camaro and the only time i would ask to drive it would be for prom : P

i hope that they make the base model kinda cheap, otherwise they arn't going to sell any. i would almost think about buying one if they were kinda cheap and i could get it to handle decent.(and if i could get over the looks >.>  

I like the retro styling of the new Camaro.
I think it's kindaa funny, how there's a big "gas crisis", and all the car companies are coming out with these gas guzzling muscle cars... again
I like muscle cars, but I will most likely never own one. They're not very efficient, and some of these compact cars can run circles around them, (and last a lot longer on a full tank).  

If there's a V6 version I don't think it'll waste too much gas and I think that's the version that would sell the most not the V8 powered powerplant. I expect the Base V6 version to cost around 25-27K since it shares the Corvette chassis which is not the most inexpensive platform to start with.

Why couldn't they've made an AWD version of the Cobalt and pumped the power to 300hp and brought us a Cevy version of the Focus ST they sell in Europe.

Ah screw it! It'll never happen; car companies are targeting upper class customers since us regular shmos are out of money.  

I like contradicting myself don't I?  

The Camaro chassis is a shortened version of the Pontiac G8 chassis called Zeta II, not the Vette. It will be priced above the Mustang but will be far and away better inside and out materials wise. Garbage? He must be stupid and should study more before uttering bad information to someone all to willing to bash on a product that doesn't come from the "Rising Sun".  

jpo96sungt:
he is stupid for his opinion? he's not even the one that said it was garbage, it was his brother ( that has a training book that includes the freakin car) and how do u get that hes bashing every thing thats not from japan?

... your a GM owner i guess?  

I said his brother was stupid, who doesn't know a Corvette chassis from a hole in the ground. Read some of his(Master_Shake029) other posts to see what I mean.

Proud owner of both a Pontiac and a Cadillac.

http://forums.sportcompactcarweb.com/70/6292827/letters-to-the-editor/j-body-project/index.html  

Hello everyone! Who's talking bad about me this time around???   Well lets settle down before we all leave with our panties in a knot   ......


Listen I don't know much about car chassis' or body designs, but my brother does... But lets clear a couple of things first...

Where did you hear about this Zetta II? How do you know of its price range?  There are a couple of loose ends in both your story and mine (since I haven't even read the manual by the way Just a page with wire drawings and bullets on how to weld the joints in case of impact...) But I went by what was available to me. I did mention We did own a 82 Camaro and if you must know a Trans Am and Firebird with LS1 in it.... ... We were in highschool thought they were badass until we grew up a couple of inches and found out that they were crap in a mechanical fashion... Good for enjoying a quick burst of thunder here and there on the summer sun   but considered crap  against a european counterpart with a same displacement motor.... Shamefully so too....  When my brother and I have lunch we don't immediately go bashing on companies that we don't like and have silly little grins and smirks. We're not 14 if you must know... Now on the Cav issue you posted I was an A-hole back then and quite immature and would apologize to those who made a reasonable request to have a Cavalier project car...But you must admit to this......"Almost all Cav owners share a ego trip when comparing it to its foreign counterparts (including the Focus which is the carry over from Europe!)"

Now overemphasizing on which car brand is useless, but here's my final point on the subject.

I don't CARE!

The Chassis could be a derivative, a dropped prototype or a easy bake oven way to save money....The camaro can run of the life force of the gods, but how many are going to be bought if not by the Old farts that are retiring who can afford a V8 nowadays and like to rub their balls allover the steering wheel... And like to say "Its all about AMERICAN MUSCLE!!!!!"

ps....
You came here and started your I'm a badass and you're stupid on no supposition, but your own... But this is not your usual forum.... We're poor bastards who just talk about cars with no or little regard for someone's special feelings.  

Oh... If you own the GTO....Enjoy your Australian Vaxhaul.  

It is great that you don't care, but you should care about spewing inaccurate info. It makes you seem ignorant. Tell me, what European counterpart has a 5.7L V8 that isn't a Mercedes? How does that compare to a Camaro? You must be referring to small displacement turbo engines that have nearly as much money put into them as the cost of a Camaro. Slap a $10,000 turbo 4cyl motor into a lightweight chassis and sure, you'll embarrass a Camaro. Tell me if it will be running 10yrs later.

The "Vauxhall" is an Australian export of the Holden Commodore. The chassis is called Zeta which the Camaro uses. However, it is modified to the extent that it is referred to as Zeta II. Pick up a magazine other that SCC and you'll have plenty of correct info at your finger tips.

BTW, the Focus uses a Mazda 3 chassis, which isn't European even though it is used by Volvo also.  

LOL! You must be an old schooler or someone who is misguided by pride...Probably the latter. Turbo? small displacement? You must consider me childish to conjure up such nonsense. I'm talking 5.0 BMW's and 4.2 supercharged jags and 4.3 Aston Martin Vanquish or DB9's; Ascari's, Bugatti's, Maserati's, Ferrari's and Koenigseg's. I know about Vaxhaul thank you... Uhm...Another loose end which magazine? Could you provide an excerpt? How do they know of this? Is there a picture?

The corvette uses a modified if not "reversed engineered" Lotus chassis so it isn't American... The modern version of the Ford GT40 has the steering column of a Aston Martin and the chassis and suspension was done by Lotus so it isn't American   Yeah; it can go both ways buddy.....


Admit it the auto industry here fell asleep for 2 decades and now they only sell crap, besides the Cobalt SS and the Z06 there is nothing there that appeals to me....