The problem I have with the cavalier isn't the car as much as its it's driver (I know the car sucks).  Everytime I talk to one of them I hear "Ya man its all about the ECOTEC non of that VTAK bull....t. Man I took out a civic a mustang, and so on and so on." They have this inferiority complex and bravado which just plain corrodes the inside of my mind. It would be the same if I told a story like. "Ya man its all about the Fit man VTAK! none of that VVT-i *** I took on a Yaris, a Geo, a Scion Xa and so on and so on. My car is not the best in the world as a matter of fact it would never classify as a sports car EVER! But I take it once in a while when I have a full tank of gas to The baseball field and cone dodge on an SCCA event. My sidewalls might be all *** up and scored on my tires, but I had a blast. And I don't go. "ya man I got this cell phone video of me and this cobra on the freeway he was going fast on his own, but I passed him so that means I beat him......right? I mean it does he was going fast already....."

Just say its alright it could be better the bolt ons help, but its no out of the box RSX-S or S2000 beater if you wanna continue the whole I hate Honda thing.  

i agree.. completely  

master you really need lay off the crack. the main reason we buy cavaliers, Geo, neons, and probes are because we don't want to be like all the other sheep. when we pull into a show or any event for that matter people look. why? 1 to compare your ride to the one pulling in. 2 because its not the same civic, Subaru, evo, eclipse, or z cars you see around with the same old rims, body kits, and wings. for people in a tuner crowd you all are closed minded. I'm a car guy i like them all and respect every one's ride. j-body's have the same potential as any other fwd enono box. and since your throwing mud around I'll return a little. so you rolled your z 9 times great, it tells me the driver cant handle his car, also for a z to be such a great machine it only puts .88g down. i not afraid to say it drive a Geo storm gsi. and in stock trim it outs a .85 down, and it was built in 1991. i could have bought any number car other than it. i got it because you don't see them as much, i paid $900 for it with 90k original miles on it, and its the perfect sleeper. i run it for FUN it doesn't matter if you have a 500hp sti. I've beaten civics, crx's, fit's, yaris', cavaliers, nx's and the like, but i have also had my loses to some of them as well. the point is stop bashing cars because of your ignorance of them. when tuners first started build little pocket rockets the v-8 crowd did the same thing your doing. but now look people are more aware and starting to respect the potential.