Why is it that everyone that owns a srt-4 thinks it is the badest car alive. I dont know about anyone else but where I live there are srt-4 every were you look and all of them think the car is great. How can these people be so proud of a car that comes built staight off the show room floor. If you wanted to be proud of a car like that you should of built it yourself. Take a car that is completly stock and build it up from there. Be proud of something you did yourself not of something you bought already done. I'm so over the srt-4.  

couldnt agree with you more.
ive always hated the SRT4.  a car that comes from the factory with no mufflers, power front but crank rear windows?  and they can't turn.  the only thing they are good at is "roll on" racing on the freeway.  street racing is lame, but yet every SRT4 drives like a bat out of helll, blowing off their blowoff valves at any modded car or pedestrian for that matter.  i respect the power they can make, but its useless through the front wheels and a crappy platform.  a bunch of blown head gaskets and a recall later, the SRT4 was discontinued, gee i wonder why...  now lets do the same thing with a Caliber, yay!  

you sir are a dipShi* the srt-4 never had a recall and the headgasket is one the the overbuilt parts of the motor ...the stock headgasket is multilayered steel call and ask cometic why they do not make a aftermarket gasket for the 2.4 turbo...you asshats take the knowledge of the old 96-99 neons with a 2.0 (completley different engine) and a composite gasket...and think wow this is a neon must be the same ..you must be a 15 year old kid you gets online and says he has a camaro but its really his dads  

You know I could really care less wheather the srt-4 had a recall or not. That still doesnt change the fact that there built like that from the factory. I think that the only reason dodge built the srt-4 in the first place was to make money off a sports car people can actually afford unlike the viper.  

Hey wolfmabean you can suck ma beans!  Just because the car is like that from the factory doesn't mean it can't woop the living *** out of what ever the *** you drive!  And you say that the only reason dodge made it was so that it was an affordible sports car unlike the viper.  Well why even start this post?  If you had a viper with nothing done to it just like it came from the factory wouldn't you strut your *** with a viper even if it were bone stock?  I don't know what the *** you drive but I can promise you that dodge makes some of the best compact cars there are period!  I don't know of one sport compact at my school that can beat my car.  The only car that comes to mind is a Corvette that one kid has and thats a completely different class of car.  The only thing close to beating my bone stock neon other than a CAI and muffler is a Z24 cavalier everything else that I can think of would be slaugtered by a little old 4 banger dodge!  

You know lil_man_maas you sound just like one of those guys that i mentioned at the very begining thinking that there P.O.S. of a srt-4 is the greatest thing ever built. Your prolly some little rich *** that mommy and daddy pays for every thing. You prolly dont know the first thing about cars thats why you had to buy your turbo charged srt-4. Take a car that has no mods at all including no stock turbo and build a car. oh and by the way my 98 eclipse gsx would tear your little neon a new one. there is nothing stock about my car, and i built it myself. it has over 550 horses. I dont know to much about your little neon but from wat I hear there not pushing more 10 psi. By the way i wouldnt be to proud of a z24 cavalier being able to beat your srt-4 your basically putting your own car down there.  

so, it's bad that a company took their time and built a fast, cheap, fun car thats super easy to modify.
so i guess the next car i want to make fast i will go out and buy an 83 honda with an auto because it's slow, cheap, can't handle, unreliable, ugly, zero aftermarket parts, and an otherwise complete waste of time.  

yea you should go an buy a 83 honda and build it up. just because its slow cant handle and cheap most people wouldnt build up a car like that. so do something thats never been done before. at least you built it and can be proud of it. why would it be a waste of time. if you like working on cars it should be fun and worth it. but i guess dodge gave the srt-4 as a scapegoat for those people that want a tuner car but cant build one.  

don't blame just Dodge, because if car companies did it the way you are describing we wouldn't have the VR4, Honda Type R, WRX/STI, EVO, anything by Carrol Shelby or Steve Saline, and the list goes WAY on.
Personally if someone wants to build a POS and make it fast, more power to them. but for the average person who just wants to go out and have a fun car without the hassle of having to find a garage and money to build a vehicle on their own then auto's like these are perfect.
I love the Shelby Dodges, and having one of them takes time and money, not alot of money, but some. One of these years it will be finished, and i will take pride in that. But it's also nice to know that for 22k i can have a fun and RELIABLE car with a warranty.  

I'm not blaming dodge for andything. let me ask you a question what do you see more of people in evos and all the other cars you explained or wanna be ricers in srt-4. I think the answer is the srt-4. plus those car companies arn't building them up like dodge did they just have a big availbilty of parts to make them a tuner. they dont come of the show room floor with blow off valves. i gaurentee that why the srt-4 is popular. that sound just makes people look. oh yeah carrol shelby takes a stock car and then builds them and then sell them same with steve saleen(by th way you spelled saleen wrong). you make think they come off the assembly line built like that but there not. they take the stock car rip off the stock part and put on there part then they sell it. it dosn't come off the line built.  

way more riced out evo's and wrx's, not even a comparison, maybe where you are from, but not here.
Dodge has been using BOV's since the mid 80's, Mitsu has used them since the late 80,so has volvo and other companies. How DARE they put a device in that could stop the turbo from blowing itself up. You do know what a BOV does, don't you?
the SRT4 is popular because it's balls to the walls fast and very easy to upgrade. Yeah, and I'm sure the sound helps.
Saleen(yeah i know) takes a stock vehicle, Mustang, whatever and sell it as a ford, you go to a ford dealer and buy it, therefore it comes off the showroom floor as a modified ford.
Shelby takes a stock vehicle, and modifies it and then sells it under the Shelby name, it no longer is a Ford of Dodge it is a Shelby Mustang, the title even says that.
There are of course exceptions, late 60's 70's just used his name on the mustang, Dodge Daytona.
The point is that some people don't have the time, space, energy, or money to custom build their own fun vehicle. The just want to go out and drive. Be able to smoke the idiot in the ricer and do it on cheap fuel. Cars like these make it possible. And if you feel this is wrong then thats your prerogative, but don't go busting on people who either have to buy their cars fast or who don't want to.
oh, and the evo and sti come as RACE CARS WITH AIR CONDITIONING, that is one of their selling points that they brag about. the SRT4 doesn't have anything in their ads like that.
I also think the SRT4 is hideous.  

Well, I didn't really want to pry into this conversation, but I feel that I have a few things to add...
I don't really care for the SRT4.  I don't like the look, the rear rollup window thing is strange, and so forth.  I do respect the idea that it seems to be a cheap means of getting some good hp right out of the box.
I'm really not sure what the argument is here...is it that people think that the SRT4 is super fast without mods and get a big head about it?  Or is it that Dodge wanted to compete better in the sport compact class?

As far as a stock turbo and BOV...uh, well, I'm not sure how to say this but, to my understanding, doesn't the Eclipse GSX come with a stock turbo and BOV??

Don't get me wrong, I like AWD-Turbo cars, that's what I have.  I'm just having a little trouble following the logic of this conversation...  

just because the saleen and shelby cars are sold off the showroom floor built dosnt mean they came off the assembly line like that. those cars have seen stock parts before unlike the srt-4. those other cars may have a bov but they didnt make they psst noise. this forum was started to point out that everyone thinks the srt-4 is i quote "balls to the walls" but people started puting in there to cents about *** without even thinking about the hole idea of the forum.  

TaoJoe:
Well, I didn't really want to pry into this conversation, but I feel that I have a few things to add...
I don't really care for the SRT4.  I don't like the look, the rear rollup window thing is strange, and so forth.  I do respect the idea that it seems to be a cheap means of getting some good hp right out of the box.
I'm really not sure what the argument is here...is it that people think that the SRT4 is super fast without mods and get a big head about it?  Or is it that Dodge wanted to compete better in the sport compact class?

As far as a stock turbo and BOV...uh, well, I'm not sure how to say this but, to my understanding, doesn't the Eclipse GSX come with a stock turbo and BOV??

Don't get me wrong, I like AWD-Turbo cars, that's what I have.  I'm just having a little trouble following the logic of this conversation...

well wolfmabean thinks that everyone should buy a POS and make it fast because that is the only way to appreciate a car.
and i think that everyone is entitled to buy or build any type of car they want without having to worry about what some people feel about their vehicle.
and you are correct about the eclipse, and it had a *** loud BOV, i know, i have one in my car. the early models were one of the best built, they can handle 30 PSI and are very cheap. the volvo's are also high quality and have a great sound.  

Ok...well, there's my $0.02.